Host Dr. Flowers, Co-Host Robin French and VIP Guest Shelby Stanger discuss her tremendous success in journalism and podcasting along with her passion for interviewing people. Shelby explains to the audience how she uses adventure, nature and humor as a catalyst and recipe to life’s biggest problems.
Key Takeaways:
04:19 – Shelby shares her family’s secret to being happy and thriving in life
07:05 – Shelby talks about one of her greatest mentors
10:22 – Being raised by an athletic stepdad
12:10 – Shelby’s biggest humbling experience in surfing
15:29 – Dealing with and overcoming depression
18:46 – Teaching a podcast class
23:53 – Coming up with the idea for her new podcast
27:53 – Advice for a successful relationship
30:29 – Shelby’s travel bucket list
Resources Mentioned:
JFlowers Health Institute – https://jflowershealth.com/
JFlowers Health Institute Contact – (713) 783-6655
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Shelby’s Social Media Handles:
Instagram: @ShelbyStanger
LinkedIn: @ShelbyStanger
Facebook: @ShelbyStangerProductions
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Shelby Stanger On Adding Health, Humor, And Fun In Everyday Life With Shelby Stanger
Hi, Robin.
Hi, how are you?
I am fantastic. Happy New Year.
Happy New Year. It’s 2021. This is our 21st podcast with a very special guest.
I am excited. I feel like another family member is here. The famous Shelby Stanger.
Hi, guys. Thank you for having me.
How are you?
Thank you for joining us.
I’m excellent. I went surfing this morning. Life is good. The sun is coming out right now in Southern California.
I love it. You are in San Diego, correct?
I’m in San Diego right now in a town called Solana Beach, which is just this great little beach town.
That is cool. I love that and she just told me that you can open her door and walk directly down to the ocean. How nice would that be?
I wouldn’t get any work done, though.
You would. There are times when the waves aren’t very good so you just get it done.
I thought for those who don’t know you, even though everyone will know you, I’d read a brief bio about you if that’s all right. Are you okay with that? Shelby Stanger is a seasoned journalist and top-ranked podcaster whose work and podcasts have been featured everywhere from the New York Times and the San Diego Union-Tribune to Outside Magazine and ESPN.
Curious about her subjects and willing to go to great lengths in her research, Shelby has surfed from New Jersey to New Zealand, studied with a breath guru, paddled down a portion of the Amazon River, and interviewed countless CEOs, athletes, and wellness experts on assignment for major publications. With a knack for audio stories, Shelby created and sold her first podcast about adventure called Wild Ideas Worth Living to REI Co-op in 2020. You’re still the host, right?
I still host the show. I just did a podcast interview yesterday with this guy who set the record for running the fastest time on the Pacific Crest Trail and Appalachian Trail. He’s a dentist from Belgium. He was very cool.
No way. What was his time?
He broke the record by five days. Against professional athletes, all they do is run, and he’s just some dentist from Belgium. It was cute. He was awesome.
I can’t wait to see that.
I told her he was the Forrest Gump of Belgium.
Yes, he was. He was awesome.
I wanted to mention that you recently hosted an award-winning travel show for Lufthansa called Life Changing Places. Your latest project, Vitamin Joy Podcasts, launched this past year with a standout crew of guests offering prescriptions for having more health, humor, and fun in everyday life.
Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it. You guys do great work over there. You change lives, invite change, employ my mother. Entertaining lots of family members is the best.
It’s amazing. We’ve done a podcast with Dr. Stanger, who’s her mother. We’ve done a podcast with Sydney Holland, who’s her sister. I’m hoping to get the other sister on soon as well, Felicia.
Now that we know she has a big announcement coming.
But none of us know what it is.
It’s good. You’ll get to hear about it as soon as this podcast comes out.
I just want to throw out a question since I said we’ve interviewed, obviously, Dr. Stanger and Sydney Holland, and now you. How does your family do this? You guys are powerhouse women and just amazing women in the state of California and around the country. How did you guys become successful and happy and thriving in life?
Having A Successful, Happy, And Thriving Life
I don’t know. I think we all have a little ADHD maybe. We all have a little bit too much energy. If it’s not burned, it can be destructive, but I think our Mom is just a straight-up hustler. She’s amazing and from a young age, she just told us that you can be whatever you want to be. Just be positive. Don’t do drugs. Don’t have a baby until you’re married or have a partner. She was all about letting us do whatever we wanted. Growing up, she was a college professor.
We all have a bit too much energy. If it’s not burned, it can be destructive.
We always had a motley crew of college students around us from very different walks of life. I think the best thing that my mom passed down to us is all of us can talk to anybody and our mother has taught us to find goodness in everybody. If you ever came over to Thanksgiving at our house, non-pandemic, you will find a guy from the grocery store who bags our groceries that she invited over to dinner, somebody random from the gym, a student. Every year.
That’s cool.
She’s a special lady.
Thank you. We’re all a little competitive too, but we just like completely different things. I’m interested in surfing, but I’m not interested in fashion or art, unlike my oldest sister. She’s good at it and she doesn’t surf. Neither does my middle sister, but my middle sister is completely interested in something else. One thing about the pandemic that’s been amazing is we have this morning ritual where we do Facetime every morning. We get on the phone and talk to each other. We all talk smack about each other but nobody outside our circle can make fun of us, but we do and it’s great.
I hear Felicia has been, should I say, most difficult or most cautious about the COVID and the pandemic, saying, “You can’t come over.” “I’m not coming over.”
She changed her tune. They went to Costa Rica last month.
She called her out.
She only held out so long.
She’s been great. Her son encouraged them to take a trip to Costa Rica, which in many ways is way safer than Southern California right now.
That’s right because we were out to dinner and we took a picture. Your mom didn’t have her mask on. She chewed it around and then texted her and made a phone call. You also had another great mentor, Izzy, when you were growing up. I was reading about where she was your diving Instructor.
She was my surf instructor. When I was a little girl, we all had some shared trauma, I think. Like a lot of the readers had something hard that they’ve had to go through. Whether it’s addiction that they’ve had to overcome or whatever. When I was 11, my sisters were older. They were 16 and 21. Our father, my mom’s husband, passed away suddenly of a heart attack.
We each took very different lessons from that. I think one of my sisters felt the need to be more financially responsible because when my dad died, he didn’t have life insurance. He didn’t have a will, he didn’t have anything. He was only 47. I took the need to live life to the fullest, because I thought, “Wow, my dad was here, he tucked me in, he said good night, and then he was gone.”
I went on a binge of adventure from that age on. I was always adventurous, but the summer after my father passed away, my mom sent me to surf camp. It was this great surf camp through San Diego State, where you’d surf in the morning, and then you’d water ski, sail, kayak, or do one of those activities in the afternoon. It was subsidized by San Diego State, she got a deal.
I was a pretty hyperactive kid. She sent me there. I had all these gorgeous male instructors who I loved. One day, I had a female instructor. The guys loved her. She was witty, she was smart, and she spoke French and Spanish fluently as well as English. She happened to teach SAT classes. My mom loved her. She ended up being my babysitter, a woman named Izzy.
She just was such a good mentor. It was cool to find an athletic woman, who was pretty, hung with the guys, and was incredibly smart, and walked to the beat of her own drum. I just developed a cool friendship with her. My mom let her babysit me. She let her stay with us when she went out of town for work.
When my mom remarried and we moved to another house, we had a studio off the back of our house. I think Izzy at the time was living out of the back of her truck or at her mom’s house. She ended up renting the studio from my Mom and wrote the business plan for this all-women’s surf school called Surf Diva in the back of our house. That surf school is the biggest surf school for women in the world today. It was cool having an entrepreneur in our backyard.
Speaking of your mom remarrying, she was a professor at San Diego State and then, of course, met the athletic director.
I was stoked. I was an athlete. She had been bringing home these nerdy Jewish producers, which is fine, we’re Jewish. It wasn’t very interesting and Home Alone had come out. I thought that I was going to set up marbles and trick these guys and they were going to fall when they came in the house. Then, she told us about this guy John and showed us his picture. We were like, “My god, he’s cute, ask him out.”
He had sons, I was excited because I figured I could date their friends in high school. It just did not happen. No interest in their friends. They were football players from another school. John was great. We got lucky and won the lottery.
You won the lottery with John Wadas.
I did completely. I had a great dad who raised me and I got lucky. He was an athlete. As an athlete, having a stepdad who was an athletic director and took me to soccer games. He had a box seat at the local stadium by my house. We got lucky.
Which sister was it that bought you a green surfboard when you were 12 years old?
Felicia, my middle sister, the one you haven’t interviewed. She and I were tight. She helped raise me along with my mom. She always watched out for me. If anybody called me a name, she would threaten to beat them up. She knew I wanted to learn to surf so badly, but my real father grew up in New York, Brooklyn. Girls didn’t surf. He didn’t understand it. He would take me boogie boarding. When he passed away, my sister got me a green surfboard, which is still on the rack. It’s bright green.
No way. That is cool.
I kept it. I could barely stand up on it, but I slept with it in my bed. I was very excited. I surfed and I think surfing was such a good outlet for a young kid who lost their father because, in the ocean, you could learn to answer things that you could never answer on land. I think the ocean has a way of humbling us. You’re in nature. It can be social. You get a great workout. There’s just something about water. That’s healing.
Yes. I wish we had more of that. Of course, we have the Texas Gulf Coast, but it’s a little bit different than the West Coast. Speaking of the water being humbling, what was the biggest humbling experience or scariest experience of your life surfing? If you had one.
Life Surfing
I did. I think it was a culmination of events. In 2009, I was in a great job. I was running Women’s and International Sales and Marketing at Vans. I wanted to quit. I was scared. I had a little bit of depression. I was in this relationship that was great on paper, but I wasn’t into the guy anymore, except he was perfect on paper.
I had this job on perfect paper, the guy on paper that was perfect, but they were no longer fulfilling me. I was going into this deep depression. I started freelancing stories on the side and I told a couple of PR people, “I’m going to quit my job. If you have any stories you want me to cover, let me know.” I finally got the courage to quit.
To one, get help for depression. Two, quit my job and the day I quit my job I got invited to go to Indonesia on a surf trip with all the men, which was amazing. In the middle of the Mentawais, an archipelago of islands off of Indonesia, the waves were terrifying and huge. I already quit my job. I had to come back and give them three months’ notice because Vans was nice and they liked me. The waves were terrifying. I was lucky on that trip.
There was this wise old mentor who happened to be linked to Hawaiian royalty named Brian Keaulana on the trip. I did a podcast with him later on. He’s the guy who was the stuntman for pretty much every movie made in Hawaii. The show, Lost and Blue Crush. I was asking him how he coached Kate Bosworth, the blonde in the big waves for the movie Blue Crush, and he said, I took her to Waimea Bay the first day, which is this wave that breaks 50 feet tall, and he didn’t finish the story, but as he’s telling me this story, this big wave comes, and he looks at me and he asked, “Are you going to go?”
When this Hawaiian god of a man says, “Are you going to go?” You start putting your head down and you start paddling. This giant triangle is coming and I said, “My god.” He told me, “Shelby, start saying three things.” Start saying, “Make it. Make it. Make it.” He gave simple advice when you fall and told me to sing a happy song when I fell.
Long story short, I caught the ride of my life and it was amazing. I didn’t get hurt and later, he told me that Kate Bosworth was on a jet ski, not surfing the first day. Yes, it was probably the most humbling trip. The waves were double overhead, which is two of me on top of each other. They break into shallow reefs and it was scary but after that trip, I had so much confidence.
I think that what nature and surfing do for you is that when you conquer something in nature, you feel so much stronger on land. I tell anybody who’s struggling with making a decision or who has to do something hard, to get outside in nature and do something that challenges you a little bit because that confidence you build will carry over into every other aspect of your life and you’ll just feel amazing.
In conversations. It’s no secret at all. Sydney talks about being in recovery. You’re open about having some depression historically. How do you think as a woman, you’ve overcome and you deal with that depression? I think you’re probably going to say nature and sea and all of that, but what do you have to say about overcoming?
Sense Of Purpose
For me, what I’ve realized this year is having a sense of purpose. If I know I have something to look forward to, I can’t get depressed. I’ve also just let go of expectations and let go of what I call the proverbial butt. When I lived in Costa Rica, I used to feel like I had a big butt, but the Costa Rica chefs would say something vulgar to me. They’d say, “Ay Mam, sus chanchotes.” Two pigs are located where your butt should be.
They were saying that your butt is voluptuous and yummy. They love the butt. I need to let go of the butts, and the butts in our life are just stupid. If I have excuses in life, those that don’t serve me. I just have a purpose. I have a strong meditation practice where I just sit for five minutes. Gratitude is a game changer.
I do work that I like. I was depressed for many reasons because I had a job that I didn’t like. That was hard for me. I loved my job. It was good on paper, but it wasn’t what I wanted to do. Sometimes the things I want to do are hard, like quitting to be a podcaster. Making it as a podcaster and a journalist isn’t easy. Purpose, I would say, is big and then I eat clean. I work out, and I have love. Love is huge. I have a great relationship with a guy. I am just over the moon and in love with him.
Did Izzy help you with that? Didn’t she somehow introduce you to him?
I was down in Costa Rica teaching surfing and I met him in the water, which is such a cool story. She said go for it. He’s older, she said, “Yes, you should go for it.” It took us six months later to end up back in the same jungle together and we were just friends. I already made out with his best friend as an option. I had a good game because I didn’t think of him. If I liked a guy, it’d probably be terrible game. I didn’t think of him as an option. We had chemistry and we liked each other and I wasn’t super awkward. Then one day he busted the move and I was like, “Wow, let’s go for it.”
Do you know who I think of when I see him? Who do people tell you he looks like?
Everybody says it’s either a Peloton instructor or some actor.
Well, that too, is super good-looking. He looks just like John Wadas, your stepfather.
He looks like my dad.
Does he?
They look like father and son.
Oh yes, and his name is John. They look exactly alike. I’m cool with it because I picked out John for my mom. He’s a great guy. I have a complex, I’m okay with it. He’s a good guy.
That is fantastic.
You’re a podcaster, a journalist, a teacher, and all these different things. What’s your favorite role?
I love interviewing people that are just so fun. I’m new to teaching. I like it. I think I haven’t done it enough.
Tell the readers what you teach.
I taught a podcast class that you’re in, which was amazing. I taught people how to launch a podcast. What I taught them is how to get out of their head and just start and press play because I think that’s the thing we all struggle with. I love interviewing people about their stories. For me, there are so many times in my life where I felt stuck interviewing other people who were unstuck and how they became unstuck. That is the most interesting thing to me.
Hearing their stories, I’ve always been able to have more courage to unstuck myself and give courage to other people to do the same. I hear from a lot of people who quit their jobs, broke up with their husbands, and went on adventures inspired by podcasts. Which is rewarding. That is about depression. The other thing is I got help. I saw someone who is helpful. I think it’s hard to find a therapist that works for you, but when you do, that’s pretty awesome.
That is so cool. Robin, I’m going to interview you for a second. What was your biggest takeaway from Shelby’s podcast class?
I know what it was. We did the podcast and we didn’t know what we were doing when we started. We joined your class, we were probably on the ninth or tenth episode. She said to imagine who your audience is, who is that person that you’re speaking to? What does that person look like? Who is that person? I never visually thought about the person who was listening to us. It just made a big difference. Are they going to take anything from this? It was cool. That was the one that stood out.
It helped you.
Yes, what was it like to grow your podcast, Ideas Worth Living, and then grow it to an audience that REI comes along and says, “We want to buy your podcast.”
Podcasting
Honestly, I’ve never done this before, but I took a business class when I had the idea of launching a podcast. The woman who has this accelerator class said, “Day one, write down your business plan and by week 12, the last day of class, you have to present it to a team of investors.” On my business plan, it said, “Sell to REI.” This would be a great sponsor and I honestly thought that I would pitch REI because they had this campaign at the time called Force of Nature, where they try to integrate women into outdoor activities.
I said, “I’m a woman, I’m in nature, I’ve already worked in action sports. They’re going to love me, they’re going to love this podcast, they’re going to be a hundred percent into subsidizing it, and someone introduced me to someone there. He said, “Email this guy and you’re in.” I thought it’d be a slam dunk and the guy said, “Great, I love your idea. You seem enthusiastic but no, we’re not doing podcasts.”
I ended up getting it sponsored by a bunch of people for six months and it was a steady growth. My mom shared it, and someone else shared it. Every week, it was growing and it was the first thing I’ve ever done where I was always anti-goals because they were daunting and rigid. I wrote down exactly what I wanted to do. I loved what I was doing and I did crazy things for every podcast.
I did PR for every single show. I told everybody, and I had flyers. I hung up flyers at coffee shops. Just things that you wouldn’t know to do for a podcast. Six months later when I hit up REI, I built this giant pitch deck, paid a guy a ton of money to help me design it, and asked, “Do you want me to send you my pitch deck? The show’s growing, it’s doing well. I wanted to circle back with you.”
The guy wrote me back five minutes later and said, “Actually, we want to talk, we want to get into podcasting, and I have some ideas for you.” It was miraculous timing. He never saw my pitch deck. They licensed the show, and then after two years of licensing, they said, “We want to buy it.” At first, I thought that I didn’t want to sell it. I couldn’t believe it, because I was a little distraught.
It was my baby, it was the first thing I’d ever grown. I put my blood, sweat, and tears into it, but then I went back to my business plan and I said, “I did say that I want to sell it. It’s three years.” I think the other thing I learned this year is that I have a lot of ideas, and my ego wants my ideas to get into the world one way, but my heart doesn’t care how the ideas get out there. They just want the ideas to get out there. I had no following on social media, I didn’t care about social media. I thought it was silly.
REI had a bigger audience than Shelby Stanger, and I figured that so many more people could get unstuck by using the Adventure in the outdoors to do so, and if they could help be the catalyst that reaches more people, I’m in. They’ve been a good partner. During this whole pandemic, I was so stoked that I sold the podcast to them. This has been a bright spot for REI as well. Retail hasn’t been the easiest thing in the world, and this podcast got recognition by a lot of places. It’s been cool.
That is amazing. How did you come up with the idea for your newest podcast?
Laughter And Humor
I’ve always been interested in health and wellness, but there are so many podcasts out there that are just not very accessible. I’m also interested in humor. I just wanted to offer bite-sized doses of things that we could do to have more health and more joy in our everyday lives and not take ourselves seriously. I think when we talk about depression, I can get in my head about tasks or perfectionism.
When I have laughter and I take myself less seriously, I have so much more joy in my life. We are at a time, especially in the United States, where everybody is uptight about joking, but I think we need it. If you look at every culture, like the Jewish people, they had horrific experiences, and yet they’re some of the funniest people ever. We need laughter during hard times. That’s how I came up with the idea.
We need laughter during hard times.
I also had this little autoimmune thing called vitiligo where my skin was turning white, and only on my face. I thought, “Really? My face?” What I learned was, I did all sorts of diets. I fasted, I did veganism, and I’ve tried it all, but honestly, the times when I’ve just been happy and let go, that’s the times when my skin has pigmented and not had vitiligo. I just wanted to offer things that were cheap, easy, and affordable to people, so we’ve interviewed comedians, health experts, sleep experts, and anxiety experts. All of that. I want it to be as easy as taking a vitamin. Doses for more joy.
That’s amazing.
What’s your favorite one so far? Do you have a top three of your favorites?
I interviewed this girl who wrote a book called How to Get Out of Your Own Head. She’s just funny. She offers good prescriptions on how to have less anxiety. One is, Name Your Inner Critic. I call mine Debbie Downer. She has a different name for hers. Then I loved interviewing Gabby Reese. Gabby was a volleyball player married to Laird Hamilton. I just like badass women. She’s a total badass. She offered a lot of advice on just being less rigid, and she was cool. I liked her.
Now, I’ll throw a question out there for our podcast. How do you get a hold of Gabby Reese?
I met her at an event. I said, “I’d love to interview you.” Whenever I interview someone, I do what you guys do. I’m very grateful. I send them a gift. Having REI behind me helped get guests. I was able to get Cheryl Strayed. I tried on my own. It didn’t work, but with REI, it worked.
Does John share your passion for healthy eating, by the way?
Oh, Johnny’s more healthy than me. He’s a vegan. He looks like he’s my age or younger and he’s 55. He looks really good. He’s always been interested in healthy eating. His dad had a heart thing when he was younger and he changed his diet. Johnny has been vegan for twenty years. When I met him, now and then we’d go to sushi back then, but now, he doesn’t even eat fish, which is annoying.
I’m not a vegan anymore. I just eat food, but I try to eat whole food, mostly plants, not too much. I just have a good relationship. “I don’t want to have issues with you so I’ll just eat healthy.” If I want a cookie, I eat a cookie. Johnny’s pretty healthy. He loves it. He works a lot on his body. He does a lot of movement exercises and trains with all these cool gurus. He turned me on to a lot of the health stuff. Honestly, if I could get him to host a show, it would be the health show, but he’s not going to do it because he trades stocks. I do the show.
What’s your success in your relationship, making it so successful?
I think we have fun and we play. Robin and I were talking about yesterday, all you have to do if you’re a girl is just be nice. Have fun and you got to bring the energy that you want them to bring. Sometimes I wish Johnny had this big job and did this, but do you know what? If I’m doing a lot of cool stuff, he’ll have FOMO and then he’ll start doing cool stuff. Gabby Reese says, “Bring the energy you want into the relationship. If you want flowers, go get him a plant or flowers or whatever.”
I have many girlfriends who are not broken, but they can’t figure it out. I’m not better looking than any of them. They are like tens on a scale and they can’t get guys. I just don’t understand. I want to shake them. I’ve never had trouble because I’m nice and I also play. If you’re a surfer and you’re a girl, your odds are just high. You’ve got a whole lineup of men and you’re usually the only girl in the water.
The guns on those arms don’t hurt.
I’ve got a girl crush on your arms as well.
These are just genetic. The fat goes to the chanchotes, the booties.
That’s it. Yes.
I wanted to say thank you for all that you do for the veterans too because my son’s a veteran, but I was reading that you do that camp, you take a week off in September and you teach the veterans.
We didn’t get to do it this year, but every year we get to take a week off. Surf Diva does it and they teach veterans who are wounded how to surf.
And PTSD.
I’ve taught a blind guy how to surf. It’s tricky.
What?
Maybe there is hope for me.
You have a runway of people who line up the area and the guy was good. People just got out of his way. He could read the waves and feel them better than I could. He is a good surfer. I wasn’t in this group, but there was a guy with no legs and no arms who stood up on a surfboard. These guys give us so much. The least we could do is surf with them. I think that’s something I’m learning this year is that there are a lot of ways to feel good. Giving is another level. You will get out of your head. You’ll conquer your depression, but Altruism is a powerful Tool.
There are ways to feel good, but altruism is a powerful tool. You’ll conquer your depression.
Of all these places that you’ve traveled to, what’s on your bucket list that you want to go to that you haven’t gone yet?
We were supposed to go to Italy, Norway, and Colombia last year, but I’d like to go to Europe. I spent a lot of time in South America when I worked for Vans. My boss was Venezuelan, and we spent a lot of time there. I would like to go to Europe, especially Norway. In Italy, I don’t know why, but we have a neighbor who lives in Italy and it just seems so cool. We’ll probably go back to Costa Rica this year as soon as we can. It’s just easy and nice.
Are you planning on getting the vaccine?
Yes, I’m not anti-vaccine. I have a lot of friends in the health space and they say, “This is new technology. It’s cool, get it. Let’s all collectively help humanity.” It’s tricky in Southern California. Our neighbors are having parties on New Year’s Eve. I was thinking, “We’re the epicenter of the virus. Why are you doing this?” It can be challenging, but I have hope. We’re all learning a lot this year.
I had my vaccine, my first dose, last week. I was so excited to get it. I’m sharing it with as many people as I can just to try to promote it and say, “I’m well. I didn’t have any side effects. I had a sore arm for a couple of days, but it’s all right. Go get it. Please go get it. Let’s all get it so that we can resume our lives.”
I wish we could get it easier right now. In Tel Aviv, they just had the military give it out at a soccer field. It was awesome. I asked a doctor friend why we’re not doing that and he said that they thought about that but Americans don’t generally respond well to the military organizing an event like that. They get weird with the military. I can see that but it would have been nice.
Get it out there, yes.
We’re running out of time. I don’t even have a two-minute warning. It’s a zero-minute warning because we lost track of time here. If someone wanted to contact you and do your podcast course, how would they reach you?
I’m easy to find. ShelbyStanger.com. You can listen to Vitamin Joy anywhere podcasts are available or Wild Ideas Worth Living anywhere that’s available. I’m also on Instagram @ShelbyStanger but Shelbystanger.com. You can find everything you want to know and more.
That’s amazing.
Thank you guys for having me and for the work you do. I appreciate it.
Thank you. I’m excited to see you and love your family. Love you. I hope to get out to California and see you guys soon.
Awesome. We’ll have to go surfing.
Take good care.
Thanks again.
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